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Post by RastNim on Feb 15, 2004 15:28:23 GMT -5
YOU SAY WHY DO YOU MOCK ME TOO! We say "d**n U WEE BULL WHY DO YOU MOCK ME!" Wow...
Nar, cat was pissed about being shut in the kitchen, she slank(is that a word lol, slunked..) in the lounge looking v angry.
We also pray to the Valar when we want something to happen.
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 16, 2004 8:16:27 GMT -5
Ah yes. Eru. I often do evoke his name in vain. Hope he doesn't striek me down with lightening.
Or worse, elf hair.
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Post by RastNim on Feb 16, 2004 8:19:50 GMT -5
Lol how do you strike someone with elf hair, WOOO 5 pages!!!!
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Post by Arrie on Feb 16, 2004 14:50:38 GMT -5
If you turn around too quickly and whip them in the face, I suppose that would be striking someone with elf hair in a way...
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Post by RastNim on Feb 16, 2004 18:53:29 GMT -5
Yeeeeeaaaas *said in manner of Scottish man from Little Britain*
I guess so..
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Post by linaeisilme on Feb 16, 2004 19:04:13 GMT -5
4 more posts to go do you like my picture - its from "badgers, badgers, here come the badgers" sort of anywyas - the point to *this* post is: where is eregion. i cannot believe ive forgotten... all i can think or is erebor i do loe these movey things
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Post by RastNim on Feb 17, 2004 7:35:02 GMT -5
Eregion (meaing (land)of Holly) is an long abandoned elven realm in Middle-Earth that we know in the far southeast of Eriador, directly to the west of Khazad-dûm. It was the realm of Mírdain, the creator of the nine rings of power which enslaved the Nazgul. It was founded in the Second Age, which was just after the destruction of Beleriand and the formation of the land as we know it. The elves that resided there were famed for their friendship with the Dwarvish race (probably due to their close proximity to the mines of Moria). It's other name is Hollin (given to it by the men, arn't men always so refined), there now do you reconise it?? This means, AMAZINGLY, land of the, you guessed it, holly, didn't Tolkien have an inspiring imagination!? In fact in FotR, when the fellowship espy the CREBAIN FROM DUNLAND they are actually in Hollin so there you are. If you are interested, I think that I am right in saying that in the book it is the place where the fellowship are attacked by wolves which was missed out of the film. If you remember there is also a bit (this is dreging though my memory now, sorry for any inaccuracies) there is a bit where the fellowship rest in a Holly thicket and during the night either Aragorn, Legolas and I think Frodo are awoken by the sounds of birds flying overhead, they all have to lie close to the ground and it is the first happening which shows that there is evil at work against them. I don't remember who it was, it seems the more I think about the more members of the Fellowship were awake, I think Gandalf was there too. Darn I'll have to read it again, what a hardship. Sorry O/T - It is genrally thought the Celebrimbor was the founder of this region (hehe E-region..yes) but it is never actually stated who the founder was. If you don't know who Celebrimbor is you deserve to be lynched as he was the creator of the 3 rings of the Elves. He was also the teacher of the above mentioned Mírdain, Celebrimbor taught many how to create rings, dunno why, not a very useful thing is, how many people want rings? Sadly because they came under the influence of Sauron, they created the rings of power which of course led to the first downfall of Middle-Earth in the rings saga. ;D As I alway get confused at dates I looked it up - it was founded in II 750 and lasted until II 1697 (endured 947 years). It was abandoned (confusingly in my mind) 4,712 years before the war of the ring and 1,572 years before the downfall of Numenor but was over 2000 years after the return of the Noldor. I cannot understand dates at all....reaaallllly confusing. I can't for the life of me remeber/find why Hollin was abandoned, I think it was to do with the fact that the Elves wouldn't give Sauron the 3 rings of Elvish power, but then I may be wrong. It's just I seem to remember that when the Elves wouldn't give him the rings they all scattered and hid themselves away so that the rings weren't found. The elves couldn't reunite as it mean that Sauron would find the rings...I think. OOH come across something interesting, it may have been founded by Celebrimbor but in some texts Tolkien seemed to want it to have been founded by Celeborn and Galadriel after they left. That would fit in with my above statement because I coundn't understand how Galadriel would have got the ring.
Amazingly it isn't pronounced Er-region as it looks like it is, it is actually pronounced Ere-gee-on. Which I personally think sounds much nicer than plane ol er-'region'.
I think I've gone a bit beyond what was asked..oh well.
P.S, I'm sure Lora knew this but just to clarify - Erebor is of course the other name for the Lonely Mountain where Smaug the dragon resided and sat on the huge pile of treasures of the Dwarves. It's (as I'm sure you know) the place that Bilbo and his Dwarven companions make their way too and where on its slopes they fought for the freedom of Middle-Earth...darn Galadriel, on the slopes they fought the battle of the 5 armies.
I need a lie down after all that typing.
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 17, 2004 10:13:38 GMT -5
Tinor, is there anything you don't know?? Or can't remember?? I think you deserve to be a flipping Maia for the sheer heck of it!
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Post by RastNim on Feb 17, 2004 18:14:48 GMT -5
Aww thank you Figwit *blushes violently* .... I don't know what to say in the face of such praise. Thank you....it's actually a testimant to just how sad I am, that is how I spend my life lol *slinks off somewhere to hide*
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 19, 2004 6:53:24 GMT -5
I have another question: What does Sam say when he uses the Light of Earendil and Sting in protecting Frodo against Shelob? It's this entire verse in Elvish and I've translated about half but having difficulty with 2nd and 4th line. Oh, can't remember if/ who was asking this, but the SIlmarillion was supposed to have been based on tales written down by Bilbo in Rivendell. Just found that out today
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Post by RastNim on Feb 20, 2004 21:07:25 GMT -5
Took me a while to get where you meant, in the book or film but realised that it must have been book as Sam doesn't say any Elvish in either of the three films. Have got LotR off my shelf (courtesy of Charlie...mmm it smells of neeew boooook...) and have found the page he says -
A Elbereth Gilthoniel o menel palan-diriel, le nallon si si'nguruthos! A tiro nin, Faunilos!
I shall break it down as much as I can before looking it up and see how much I got right...
Menel..that is like menelya, the elvish for Friday, meaning heaven day I guess as Meneltarma means pillar of heaven (it is a very big mountain) and Menelmacar means swordsman of the heavens (that is the elvish for the star constellation we call Orion isn't that way cool!?), there are more menel- places and people but I forget them...
so..that really helped lol...
Nin I seem to remeber meaning either water or wet...hmmmm really useful!
PALAN!! Ohh let me guess at this word, it had something to do with seeing all around or sight after PALANtir - all seeing stone.
Fanuidhol...that is the name for the Cloudyhead (looked that up in LotR as I couldn't remember its name, I feel I should admit to not remembering that..) therefore Faunilos must be something to do with the clouds ergo heaven? It also means the colour white I think.
So my guess is this -
Oh Varda, lady of the stars Oh all seeing heaven, um...something something Something about water/wetness(!) and the heavens/clouds/whiteness.
There we are...
Ok Looking it up it means as follows -
Oooh interesting, it is apparently from the hymn to Elbereth which goes as follows -
The hymn to Elbereth (that in RGEO:70 has a Tengwar superscript Aerlinn in Edhil o Imladris, *"Hymn of the Elves of Rivendell"):
A Elbereth Gilthoniel, O Elbereth Star-kindler
silivren penna mírie (white) glittering slants down sparkling like jewels
o menel aglar elenath! from [the] firmament [the] glory [of] the star-host!
Na-chaered palan-díriel To-remote distance far-having gazed
o galadhremmin ennorath, from [the] tree-tangled middle-lands,
Fanuilos, le linnathon Fanuilos, to thee I will chant
nef aear, sí nef aearon! on this side of ocean, here on this side of the Great Ocean!
the words to Sam's thing are in there somewhere.
Sam's thingy means -
"O Elbereth Star-kindler, from heaven gazing afar, to thee I cry now in the shadow of death. O look towards me, Everwhite!"
Ooh I was close..sort of...
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Post by Andúnë on Feb 21, 2004 14:20:26 GMT -5
You were very very good! But then we expect nothing less from you. You were confused about "palan-diriel", so I'll offer the only bit of Elvish I recognise out of all that. "Palantir" does mean "far-seeing", but the "seeing" bit is due to the ending, "tir", which is from"tiro" the verb "to see". We get that in Enya's Aníron - off the top of my head "Tiro, el eria e mor" - "look, a star rises from out of the darkness". The verb appears in the last verse of Sam's thing as well. Therefore "palan" would have to mean "far", or something to that effect.
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 21, 2004 15:14:20 GMT -5
wow! Thanks Tinor and Lei- that's amazingly detailed I'm quite chuffed with self as managed to decipher a titchy bit of that (well, word anyway and not really any of the meaning.- I thoguth Tolkien was being artistic again and bulking up a simple thing like "oh help") Anyway, thanks both of you! (PS- you're right Lei, palan does mean far/ wide. do you think that means that 'tir' is the infinitive?)
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Post by Andúnë on Feb 21, 2004 15:17:44 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, "tíro" would be the infinitive, "tír" is the stem. "tíro" is also the imperative.
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Post by RastNim on Feb 21, 2004 20:14:51 GMT -5
OOh I took the liberty of looking up palan and it means far and wide, DOH for forgetting which bit was which. You were right Peep well done pae!!!
However the infinitive is infact tir according to this website.
Thanks for your praise Lucia, any more questions?? I love to reply....yes I'm weird...
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