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Post by Esteldil on Jan 21, 2004 14:47:51 GMT -5
Hi all, this is nice, getting to post the first thread so I shall try to make it good!
Ok,who is your favourite/ least fave/ most interesting minor character? From either the book or film.
I was thinking mine probably is Faramir or Haldir. Firstly Haldir is so perfectly acted- he just seems to embody elvishness. And Faramir is pretty interesting, it's a pity he's not developed further in the film to really explore his realtionship with his brother etc. Come to think of it, his character isn't all that developed in the book either. Anyway, opinions please!
PS- who was it that said Boromir was the real hero of the tale and that Aragorn had betrayed him? it'd be really interesting to see the site you were talking about (to pick holes in!).
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Post by Andúnë on Jan 21, 2004 15:15:14 GMT -5
The problem with Faramir is that in the movies he seems like such a useless character. I know he's not. But when reading the books, never once did I think anything except "Faramir's so noble, Denethor's so blind". Whereas it was when watching the TTT EE that I first thought "aww, bless his little cotton socks, he's going to cry..." The problem with Haldir is that he's fictional
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Post by [Matt¬e]::0verloaded 0perat0r! on Jan 21, 2004 15:43:04 GMT -5
Ok... 1st things first ... this is my first post so... HHHHHEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO everyone ;D and now to business ... i'm thinking that most of you know this already but what the heck... my favourite "minor" character (in fact my favourite character period) from LOTR is Tom Bombadil. Right now i just have to fiddle w/ some of these formatting buttons sooo... lets see homepage.ntlworld.com/mick.tux5y/LOTRtruestory.wmvooh and that serves some useful purpose too enjoy
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Post by Andúnë on Jan 21, 2004 15:48:11 GMT -5
He annoyed me so much when I first read it. Why Tom Bombadil?
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Post by [Matt¬e]::0verloaded 0perat0r! on Jan 21, 2004 16:38:30 GMT -5
What you found annoying i prolly liked cos i found it funny also i think you could find worse role models but yeh i take your point it would annoy some poepl i guess... just not me
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Post by RastNim on Jan 21, 2004 17:20:48 GMT -5
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Post by RastNim on Jan 21, 2004 17:37:30 GMT -5
Riiiiiite, I think something went wrong there, I didn't mean to say text many many times. Dammit. I had written a lengthy discussion there. Woo, look at that little text go. Please say that's what you see too, otherwise I will look reli weird. I will have to start again, grrrr! I had said - In the films I really didn't like the way they portrayed Faramir, I think it really ruined the character. In the book he is a valiant man who many people love, Beregond would even take his own life in order to save him. This wasn't shown at all in the films and it really ruimned them. In The Two Towers he was this horrible man who wouldn't let the hobbits go, I know why but in the book, the way it came across was so different. David Wenham (mmmmmm...) is a brilliant actor I'm sure (did anyone know he plays a transvestite called Audrey in Moulin Rouge!?) but I don't like the way Peter Jackson portrayed Faramir. I wouldn't say either that he seemed like a useless character as such but he didn't seem very developed. I also hate RotK for not showing us WHY Denethor chose to throw himself off a very high cliff. I guess they will do in the Ex but I'm sure there are a lot of very confused people gonig about now not having understood why it happened. My favorite character from the books and the films is Sam and for obvious reasons. I just love the way he is so loyal to Frodo right up to the very end. I think Sean Astin did a very good job and the character was how I had imagined he would be in the books. I think the only other people who I believed were anything like their characters from the book were Aragorn and Frodo the others just didn't do it for me. I am not going to be adventurous this time around so you will have to do with boring fonts sorry! Also I am very dim but how do you get little picures like yours at the side <<< as I can't work out how to do it myself
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Post by Andúnë on Jan 22, 2004 8:44:55 GMT -5
Riiiiiite, I think something went wrong there, I didn't mean to say text many many times. Dammit. I had written a lengthy discussion there. Woo, look at that little text go. Please say that's what you see too, otherwise I will look reli weird. Yep, that's what I see too. I kind of agree with what you say about film Faramir, but not exactly, but I won't go into that now. I also hate RotK for not showing us WHY Denethor chose to throw himself off a very high cliff. I guess they will do in the Ex but I'm sure there are a lot of very confused people gonig about now not having understood why it happened. The film does show it in a way, it shows his bitterness that he is only a steward and not a king, which we can understand. I suppose bringing in the palantir would add another layer of complexity. I am not going to be adventurous this time around so you will have to do with boring fonts sorry! Also I am very dim but how do you get little picures like yours at the side <<< as I can't work out how to do it myself You can add a picture (avatar) under "profile", which is at the top of the page.
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Post by Esteldil on Jan 22, 2004 14:52:14 GMT -5
Hello again all,
I agree with Rastnim, it's a real pity that Faramir is portrayed so harshly. Maybe it would have been better to have had Galadriel say something about how/ why Faramir feels so indebted to Gondor. (maybe that's in the EE, I don't know). But what she wsa syaing abou the fate "resting in his hands" almost prepares you for him being 'a baddie'. And that bit about him "forfieting his life" is just strange!
The same goes for Denethor- why he is so cruel is not very well expressed. I think Lei's right too. A Palantir scene coudl have seen D. going slowly mad with the thought of Isildur's heir returning.
Matt, Bombardil annoyed me slightly too. I didn't really see the point of him in the story progression. Although he's ncie enough, i'm almost glad he wasn't in the film. Doesn't anyone else feel that he is like a hobbit? Or is just me? what is he actually?
On the other hand, I can't really say if the film's adaptations of the Fellowship reall conformed to my own imaginations (clean...) as I saw the first film before reading any Tolkein at all. Having said that, i thought Aragorn would be more 'grim' and serious.
Ae for useless bits of the film: what was the point in throwing Aragorn off the cliff in TTT?
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Post by RastNim on Jan 22, 2004 16:40:03 GMT -5
Denethor wasn't exactly going mad because of the return of the King, but because Sauron had been talking to him (in a way) through the palantir. I think it would have been a good idea to show this as many people are going to wonder just why Denethor wanted to burn his child.
Thanks for agreesing about Faramir, it annoys me that he isn't portrayed the way he is in the film.
Thanks Lei for showing me how to do the pictures, but as you can see it doesn't work so I have given up for now.
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Post by Andúnë on Jan 22, 2004 17:32:55 GMT -5
Thanks for agreesing about Faramir, it annoys me that he isn't portrayed the way he is in the film. But he is. In the end, he does the right thing. It just takes him longer to get there in the film. I didn't like the way he was shown either, but in the EE, Fran Walsh (was it Fran?) justified it - they had spent the first one and a half films showing how potent and dangerous the Ring was. If Faramir had resisted it so easily (as I recall, in the book he says "I would not pick it up if it lay by the roadside" ) then that would have completely discredited the power of the Ring. And I think this makes sense. Thanks Lei for showing me how to do the pictures, but as you can see it doesn't work so I have given up for now. I've seen what the problem is and took the liberty of correcting it. You now have a very nice avatar ;D
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Post by Esteldil on Jan 23, 2004 8:28:53 GMT -5
But he is. In the end, he does the right thing. It just takes him longer to get there in the film. I didn't like the way he was shown either, but in the EE, Fran Walsh (was it Fran?) justified it - they had spent the first one and a half films showing how potent and dangerous the Ring was. If Faramir had resisted it so easily (as I recall, in the book he says "I would not pick it up if it lay by the roadside" ) then that would have completely discredited the power of the Ring. And I think this makes sense. I don't necessarily think that's right. The way they portrayed Faramir, being tempted too easily is too repetitive. Although it makes sense that men are tempted in the same way and he is like his brother (whom he does love and idolise), it would equally have made sense if we had seen him being internally tormented with flashbacks to his dead brother (remember, in the book, F. has seen his dead brother lying in the boat). Him trying it on with Frodo (clean!!) is just too clichéd.
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Post by LenaeIsilme on Feb 13, 2004 17:26:15 GMT -5
am i allowed to have a rant? this may not be the time or the place but i dont know where to put this i am vvery sorry if i muck up any serious conversations, but in my [very] flawed logic this is the best place for the following: this has always bothered me: wargs in the hobbit, i always imagined them to be uberwolves, but still wolves. so why in the film are they bears? [must confess: iut actually took me about 8 months to realise the wargs in the hobbit and the 'wags' in ttt were the same *gimli*] so can someone please explain why the wargs are bear-like d**n - should this have gone in the question section and now ive ranted on. im very sorry [mwahah] (i know ive spelt mi name wrong, but they wont let me spell it right. d**n them)
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Post by RastNim on Feb 13, 2004 17:50:17 GMT -5
No you can't rant!
I'm guessing that was you pae, a guest with a wrongly typed name in the wrong thread, I don't know what are we going to do with you. Yeah I see the bear thing, I didnt imagine them to look like that but then I didnt imagine the ents to look that way or anything.
Also, why exacly can we not say da mn? It's hardly a swear word lol.
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 14, 2004 12:52:19 GMT -5
I love people who rant. I really do.
yeah, i get what you mean, Lora, about the Wargs. Although, for me, it wasn't really having read the Hobbit first. But from reading TTT and also, from the names, I thought of wolves. Maybe they found it too hard to do orcs mounted on wolves? Alhtough, I think it looks pretty silly with orcs bouncing around on bear-like things. They look like they're on rocking horses gone mad.
I don't think 'd**n' is a swear word, but then I have bizarre swear words. like bibble and fiddlesticks. Oh- continuing this Parallel lives theme: did you guys ever play Creatures? (if you say yes to any of the two questions- I will wee myself with shock!)
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