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Post by Andúnë on Feb 16, 2004 16:36:07 GMT -5
Me, I'm ok about being called Figpeep, as long as you stick to it and don't call me Figwit again.
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 16, 2004 16:41:53 GMT -5
noooo, that's fine. i would feel really honoured to be called figwit girl!! Although, i call you figwit (in private...) so I may get confused...
I love the Ents in the actual book. I mean, they are an intrinsic part of the plot- how else would Isengard get destroyed? So, I don't think PJ could have left them out. BUT, I do think he should have pulled out the stops a bit more. i mean, it's a pity, after the amazing orcs etc. to have bog-standard fairy-tale-like walking trees.
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Post by RastNim on Feb 16, 2004 17:18:08 GMT -5
It's a shame, the ents could have been really amazing but I think PJ (I am so sorry for saying this) ruined them a bit, I didn't imagine them like that from reading the book. Mind you , he could hardly make something that would conform to how everyone had ever imagined them, that was just how he saw them I guess.
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Whitefate
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Post by Whitefate on Feb 19, 2004 9:04:17 GMT -5
They were pretty good actually and they were the original idea from tolkien
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 19, 2004 13:09:46 GMT -5
They were pretty good actually and they were the original idea from tolkien Explain please? I jsut watched TTT EE today. It's great but I'm still dissatified with the portrayal of Faramir. Whilst I think David Wenham does a great job with what he's given (he is entirely believable) I think they still protrayed him a bit unfairly. Yes, you understand why he may want the Ring so much. But in the book, you see wisedom to withstand anything so corrupting. And also, the bit in Osgiliath (whilst very nice to hear Gondor theme and see Sean Bean again) with Denethor just made him out to be useless. Period. Not unlike his brother and more learned. Just useless. I think I would have liked to see Faramir work out exactly what he does in the book and not try to take Frodo.
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Post by Arrie on Feb 19, 2004 16:39:40 GMT -5
Um, Esteldil, would you care to rephrase that?
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Post by RastNim on Feb 19, 2004 20:22:10 GMT -5
Huh...? Ah Esteldil, am glad to see you do not understand either
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 20, 2004 4:48:19 GMT -5
Um, Esteldil, would you care to rephrase that? Uh-oh, what've I said now? Actually, to add more to my Faramir rant: He's supposed to be very like his father as in he is learned in books as well as a commander in the field. (see what Beredon says about him). Yet PJ almost makes him out to have deeeeeep psychological problems regarding feeling the need to get attention from daddy. (hm...is that going too far, maybe?) Although, I do LOVE the way he pronounces 'quality'- very very nice. Arrie, is now about to kill me, isn't she? well, if you want him ( ), come and claim him!!
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Post by Arrie on Feb 20, 2004 17:46:11 GMT -5
No, no, sorry, I've got PMT so I may be a bit more aggressive. It was that you said "I think I would have liked to see Faramir work out exactly what he does in the book and not try to take Frodo." You can have Faramir, I don't mind.
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Post by RastNim on Feb 20, 2004 21:15:43 GMT -5
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOK FAR more information than we needed there Charlie...
About Faramir, I SO AGREE re my first post on this thread. He is not portracyed right, all the people in Minas Tirith love Faramir and think he is wonderful even so much that Beregond will kill to save him. In the film however he is just a son craving daddy's attention who is mean and won't let the hobbits go (even if he does in the end, the way he acts before that is horrible, "here in the wilderness I have you" meeep!)
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Post by Andúnë on Feb 21, 2004 14:24:39 GMT -5
That's true, I suppose. In the film we don't see him having that much respect from his own people. Though he is a captain, we don't see particular examples of how much his people love him.
It confused me how the guards followed so closely Denethor's instructions to burn Faramir and himself. They acted as if they didn't have any will of their own. I know they were trained to follow orders... but this was such a special case, such a terrible thing to have to do; but none of them wavered even slightly in doing it.
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 21, 2004 15:18:33 GMT -5
I know- I think PJ just tried to make things easier by making the guards very obediant. And it's a pity that Beregond isn't in it. i think using him would have been the perfect way to portay Faramir correctly. But maybe the guards don't seem to do anything else because they are a) too afraid of Denethor b) really think Faramir is dead Arrie- I had no idea that sounded so rude. never mind. we'll just have to read this thread with clean minds
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Post by Andúnë on Feb 21, 2004 15:28:43 GMT -5
How can they think Faramir is dead? Pippin calls out that he isn't. In fact, Gandalf knew that Faramir wasn't dead when he wacked Denethor with the stick, so why didn't Gandalf put Faramir in the Houses of Healing then and there?
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 21, 2004 15:41:33 GMT -5
yes, that does tweak somewhat now you mention it.
Maybe he was too busy defending the city? Maybe the guards didn't believe a Halfling over Denethor?
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Post by Andúnë on Feb 21, 2004 15:44:13 GMT -5
If the guards didn't believe anyone over Denethor, seeing the state that Denethor was in, then they deserve to be sacked.
Would just like to ask, is Legolas now a "minor character"? Since in RotK he has about 3 minutes screen time in total.
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