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Post by Arrie on Feb 3, 2004 15:14:34 GMT -5
Figwit! Hi! Good to see you....I''m not entirely sure what the message posting dance is, but I think I can guess. Maybe you can show me tomorrow in Latin. Apologies for my double post, my internet is being really irritating, I think it's in league with Saruman the little bugger. Well, I can't remember Tol Brandir...I really should read LotR again. Also, apologies for my dislike of serious discussions, I'll try to be serious, I realise we aren't just for the films etc.
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Post by Andúnë on Feb 3, 2004 15:22:03 GMT -5
Wohoo! We're onto our second page! This is now officially a 'hot topic'... which means I'll have to make a little green graphic... bugger. Oh well, that can wait till next weekend.
Urgh, we don't have to discuss serious stuff all the time. As long as we get enough of it in to make [EDIT: teacher name removed - Comma] think we're studious...
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Post by Arrie on Feb 3, 2004 15:29:35 GMT -5
Oooh! Hot topic! *Does Alan Partridge sound effect/gesture type thing*
Hehe...I'm sure [EDIT: teacher name removed - Comma] would *love* to hear us say that...
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Post by Andúnë on Feb 3, 2004 15:38:42 GMT -5
Maybe you can show me tomorrow in Latin. Oo, I've just reread this post. You wonderful people who take Latin GCSE... so much fun... happy memories... best time of my life... etc etc. The legacy of Catullus will live on. Hopefully [EDIT: teacher name removed - Comma] won't stumble upon this board. You know, if we type her name enough times in these forums, maybe it will show up on Google when she searches for it. Hmm, bad idea. I feel that this is going more and more off-topic. This is more the kind of thing that belongs in the General forum... OK, here's another question to get us back on track: Who wrote the Silmarillion? (Not JRRT... I mean, did he say who was supposed to have written it? Some Elf, maybe?)
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Post by Arrie on Feb 3, 2004 16:13:03 GMT -5
Sorry, don't know.
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 4, 2004 8:27:05 GMT -5
I love this Hot Topic thing! I thought it was the elves in the Noldor? Not sure where I got that from, just the impression I got. Yes, let's be *studious* on the forum as that is traceable. We can leave the fun stuff (barring yesterday...I promise to be more entertaining in future ) when no one can provide prooooof that we're being trivial! Hi ScreamingFlower, btw! How cool is it to have 3 members online at the same time! Guests, any chance of regisering? or identifying yourself in the general section??
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 5, 2004 3:43:08 GMT -5
Another question stemming from my last post on another topic:
Is there any mention anywhere, books, appendices or films, of female orcs?? And the Urak-Hai were BRED weren't they? and didn't actually reproduce- they were just fighting machines, as it were?
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Post by Andúnë on Feb 5, 2004 3:51:43 GMT -5
This is gonna take me a while...
How can you "breed" something without making it reproduce? Melkor couldn't create anything himself, he could only corrupt that which was already made. Therefore Orcs have the same physiology and reproductive methods as Elves. Therefore there must have been female Orcs.
Now that's the bit we know. The rest has to be speculation. Tolkien never mentioned any female Orcs, ever, but he never mentioned any female Dwarves either, and you know what Aragorn says about them. I personally can't imagine mummy Orcs staying at home in Mordor looking after the baby Orcs. I think they would just be bundled off to war with the rest, and only stop in Mordor to reproduce more.
As for the Uruk-hai, I think PJ rather changed it slightly. They must have reproduced too, since they were a cross between Men and Orcs.
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Post by Arrie on Feb 5, 2004 15:33:26 GMT -5
But how did he get men and orcs to breed? I thought they were a cross between goblins and orcs, though that's probably just me.
I'm watching the cartoon Lord of the Rings. Anyone seen it? (Apart from those I know have) It's sickening. Aragorn in a mini-skirt...now that's just wrong!
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Post by Andúnë on Feb 5, 2004 15:43:52 GMT -5
Oh, you're referring to Ralph Bakshi’s version? I've heard of it, but haven't seen it, and I've heard it's terrible. I'd like to see it though... Aragorn in a miniskirt... and apparantly Legolas steals lines from everyone, so it can't be all bad. That is, unless Legolas is in a miniskirt too I thought goblins and orcs were the same thing Poor Tolkien, he never did have enought time to explain everything properly.
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 6, 2004 3:34:42 GMT -5
Oooh, thanks for that. I thought there HAD to be female orcs somewhere but, like you said, Tolkien left lots unexplained (must read unfinished tales...) Legolas in a miniskirt- that would look different how? Steals lines? bah, humbug! As for Aragorn in a miniskirt, that's just wrong! what about Boromir? does he have a miniskirt too?? Is the cartoon version very very condensed then? Ooh, Comma, what about that pic you had of Frodo/ Elija with a black crow? Is that from a LOTR thing?
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Post by Arrie on Feb 6, 2004 17:55:41 GMT -5
Boromir is a Viking, with a helmet and everything, which does include a miniskirt. The cartoon version has to be seen to be believed. Gandalf dances, Saruman is referred to as Aruman and dresses as Ming the Merciless....
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 7, 2004 17:24:45 GMT -5
I don't think I want to. What happened to taste? and general "respecting the book" It's like Pride and Prej. The BBC version was great and definitive. The US version was just bizarre. A lot of hair changing colour and name changing there too... I've jsut realised that Boromir is supposed to have dark hair and resemble Aragorn only bigger and more muscular. Interesting.... Although, i can't really imagine Boromir as anyone else than that played by Sean Bean.
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 8, 2004 7:47:07 GMT -5
Oooh! I have another random question:
In FOTR when the Fellowship have been led by Haldir a little way into the woods of Lorien, they stop by a hill called Cerin Amroth, where Aragorn and Arwen make their vows together. Ok, I get the bit when ARagorn speaks in elvish (well, i don't understand the elvish but I presume that he's thinking of ARwen- anyone know what he says??). But what about the last line where it's written "...and he [Aragorn] never came to it [Cerin Amroth] again as living man." ?? Is it just JRRT being poetic in trying to say he never went back or does it mean sth like Aragorn came back as something else?
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Post by Arrie on Feb 8, 2004 10:16:07 GMT -5
I think so...or it could mean that he visits it when he's dead...
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