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Post by Andúnë on Feb 8, 2004 10:28:14 GMT -5
He says "Arwen vanimelda, namarie!" which means "Arwen [something in Quenya], goodbye!" I certainly never read of Aragorn returning to Cerin Amroth again, and in any case he'd be off to the Halls of Mandos when dead, and after that, who knows? The whole point of Men is that they leave the world and no one knows where they go.
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 8, 2004 14:36:15 GMT -5
oh! thank you, wise and iridesent Anduné and Arrie!
Why on earth is he saying goodbye to her though??! And Halls of Mandos? What/ where is that?
Oh, and another random question: what does this mean: Narn I hin hurin ? It's one of the chapters in Unfinished Tales.
OOOH! 3 pages! My cup of mirth overflows!
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Post by Arrie on Feb 8, 2004 17:45:28 GMT -5
Iridescent? Does that mean I glow?
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 9, 2004 3:34:45 GMT -5
yes! yes! you glow! like a little lamp!
I was just wondering, do you think Aragorn says Goodbye to Arwen at Cerin Amroth because he thinks they will never meet again in the same way. If they do wed (with him as King), it will be after they've all suffered and also she will become mortal. Because, apparently, the vanimelda means something like "fair elf" or fair beloved". So he could be saying goodbye to her immortality? or the "way things were" with unspoild fairness. Or you could tell me to shut up...
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Post by Andúnë on Feb 9, 2004 5:42:00 GMT -5
Nah, it's just because they're leaving for the moment. They do both live in Rivendell together, after all.
The reason why it's so poignant for him could be because Lórien was the place Arwen fell in love with him.
Narn i hin Hurin = story of the children of Hurin (i.e. Turin and Nienor, who incidentally got married and then killed).
Halls of Mandos = where Elves and Men go when they die. Elves then return to Valinor eventualy, whereas Men go on to a different place, which no one knows about.
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 9, 2004 13:59:52 GMT -5
wow! *stares in awe*
erm- did the children of Hurin (ie Turinand Nienor) marry EACH other???!
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Post by Andúnë on Feb 9, 2004 14:02:58 GMT -5
Yeah. Nienor had lost her memory, and Turin had never seen her in his life. So I suppose that's excusable.
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 9, 2004 14:57:24 GMT -5
How can you never see your own sister?! Lost her memory! how convenient. Anyway, I thought you were supposed to be programmed to be attracted to people as genetically different from you as possible? Or did genes not really exist "in those days"?
It's still incest! no wonder every race but Man died out if so much inbreeding went on! (did the Elves inbreed like this too?!)
Oooh, one thing could excuse them- did they have different mothers?
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Post by Whitefate on Feb 9, 2004 15:53:42 GMT -5
radagast is a city in the world of grey hawk
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 10, 2004 4:31:23 GMT -5
what???
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Post by Whitefate on Feb 11, 2004 13:07:49 GMT -5
oh some one mentioned it earlier i was just saying that Radagast is from the world of grey hawk (smugly annoying....and probably slightly wrong)
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Post by Whitefate on Feb 11, 2004 14:35:14 GMT -5
Ok random question who was bilbo and frodos parents-what happened to bilbos parents
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Post by RastNim on Feb 11, 2004 15:04:58 GMT -5
Lol, sorry everyone, I have only just worked out how to get onto the 2nd and 3rd pages so haven't been able to answer any questions. Tol Brandir is the little rocky island in the River Anduin between the hills of Amon Hen(sight) and Amon Lhaw(hearing), above the Falls of Rauros. It is also known as the tindrock. There hehe, that was from a while ago but no-one had replied as such.
Yeah Hurin's children makes me laugh, she marries her brother after loosing her memory and gets pregnant. Then she freaks out when she finds out who he is and throws herself off a waterfall.
Bilbo's parents...umm he was the son of....Bungo B and Belladonna Took I think. As for what happened to them as far as I know they just die of old age. Don't forget that in the Hobbit Bilbo is 66 was it? And in LotR he is 111 (older in the books when wotr takes place), they have just dies a looong time ago.
Frodo's parents were Primula Brandybuck and Drogo B.
Right with my new found knowledge I shall go and look on the 2nd pages on the other threads, I know, I'm a wee bit dim....
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Post by Esteldil on Feb 11, 2004 16:15:27 GMT -5
So that's what the Tindrock was! I keep thinking it's another random rock I haven't come across.
Rastnim: you are brilliant, your knowledge is boundless!
Anyway, I have another question:
WHen Legolas sees the winged steeds for the first time on the Great River, he cries "Elbereth Githroniel" (or something like that). Is this a person? And any ideas why he is moved to cry out the name? Or is it like us going "Oh my God!"?
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Post by Andúnë on Feb 12, 2004 8:51:30 GMT -5
Yeah Hurin's children makes me laugh, she marries her brother after loosing her memory and gets pregnant. Then she freaks out when she finds out who he is and throws herself off a waterfall. How on earth could that make you laugh? It's such a sad story. I read part of it this morning and almost lost the will to live. Especially when Húrin comes back and finds Morwen after all those long years, and he can't tell her what happened, and she dies. And when Beleg dies. And when all Túrin's friends die. And when Túrin dies. Sniff.
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